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welcome to the skeptic zone live that's

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right live from skeptics in the pub just

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humanity and the arts on them on a

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immunization that have been promoted by

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personal opinion made by Heather hitman

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criticizes at some length six specific

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claims made in the letter including that

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immunization protects children and saves

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lives she actually critiques that and

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that it is one of the highest impact and

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most cost effective public health

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interventions and she concludes with the

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following quote the concerned global

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community would like you to respond to

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this evidence to ensure that your W

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academics are not endangering population

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health by promoting the personal

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opinions of academics who have not

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studied immunization policies please

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could you ensure that personal opinions

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of your W academics are removed from the

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UW website if you cannot respond to this

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evidence end quote note the tone first

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of all but also you will have noted that

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she posts she specifically focused on

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immunization policies and the reason is

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that she sure as hell has nothing at all

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to say about the science of immunization

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she has no knowledge of that at all but

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if you think this is bad just wait on

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the twenty-third of September four days

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later an email was sent to a shorter

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list of recipients but this time

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including Minister for Social Services

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Christian Porter Minister for health

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Susan lay Human Rights Commission

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President Gillian Triggs

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I don't know either victorian health

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minister jill hennessy deputy leader of

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the Opposition turnip liver sec and

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others also an open letter letter

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entitled financial incentives for

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medical interventions in healthy people

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it criticizes the no job no pay policy

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it states that quote this governor

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policies my dating mandating the

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injection of aluminium aluminum

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hydroxide aluminium phosphate borax

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thimerosal formaldehyde gelatine phenyl

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monosodium glutamate phenoxyethanol egg

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protein yeast antibiotics and she now

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lists like six or seven different

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antibiotics and more in every infant

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from day one of life end quote she goes

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on to recommend the anti-vaccine by

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former doctor Andrew Wakefield has not

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anti-vaccine and links to several

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articles and videos showing anti-vaccine

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activists in action she then links to a

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video which she claims shows that

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parents questions were not answered at a

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public seminar at the telethon institute

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in perth what really happened was this

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so the amount melamine contained in back

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seat is small very American produced in

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Coney here's the other thing the other

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thing that is often Inquisitor watch the

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time can you see such as formaldehyde so

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from our heart is a comparative likely

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to get involved and the immortal really

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happy separating a child's name system

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gonna have trouble getting wet people

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where are the long-term studies my

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suggestion is that we look in the camera

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where the long-term studies guys look at

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look at the camera where are the

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long-term studies will have you can hear

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me so we're happy puter where are the

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long-term studies and ask those

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questions where are they and we're very

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happy as the Institute to to try and

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bring evidence out there to try and

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bring our expertise I'm not going away

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labels on if you're over to me but I ask

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yeah so the woman shouting in the

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background was Judy Wiley man if you

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could really figure out what's going on

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it's because a raucous murder of

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anti-vaxxers that's a correct collective

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collective now isn't it a murder of

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anti-vaxxers shouted the researchers

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down to the point that the seminar had

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to be abandoned this was a seminar for

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young parents and had to be abandoned

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because the anti-vaxxers basically took

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over while Eamon finishes her email by

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demanding again that Alison Jones

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provide evidence for her claims of the

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effectiveness and safety of vaccines

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three more days passed and on the 26 of

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September a similar list of recipients

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by the way I have all these emails

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printed here if anybody has a lot of

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time a similar list of recipients to the

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previous mail but also this time

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including the Premier of New South Wales

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received another open letter by email

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the subject of the film of the email was

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film censorship and financial incentives

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for medical interventions for healthy

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people in Australia the opening of the

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letter is telling quote thank you for

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getting involved in the vaccination

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debate by signing your names to Heather

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Hitman's comments on the UW website the

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Australian public expects that if your w

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academics are supporting and promoting

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government immunization policies then

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you are able to provide the supportive

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evidence for the claims that you are

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signing your name to end quote she then

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she then goes on to copy a letter sent

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from an anonymous correspondent to Mike

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Baird the Premier of New South Wales the

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letter protests the controversy in

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Victoria around the movie vexed those

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who don't know it was pulled and then

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put back on I then eventually pulled

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from a from a festival and uses such

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eminent sources as the website of the

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Daily Mail but the author also gives

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credit where credit is due and I'll read

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that quote unfortunately there is a

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lobby group here in Australia that that

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orchestrates negative innocent

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misinformation campaigns with regards to

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people questioning the different aspects

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of vaccination this group is called

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she spelled it with a see this this

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group have some representatives from the

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medical industry and some well-placed

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journalists in mainstream media but

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collude with grassroots members of the

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Australian skeptics the letter-writing

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campaigns and media articles are

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formulated to appear to government and

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MIT and politicians that there is a

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groundswell of public opinion relative

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to a particular topic but their numbers

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are small and in fact it is a

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manufactured illusion of public majority

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so so as to 6k politicians into doing

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their bidding they carry out the Hadees

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operation very professionally thank you

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any words with a no job no play campaign

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for we were doing very well this is the

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same group of people who orchestrated

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the campaign to try and make University

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stop teaching complement complementary

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medicine courses thank you if faxed is

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scheduled to screen in New South Wales I

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expect that the Australian skeptics

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operation will target the New South

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Wales Government and mr. Baird also end

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two more days have passed and on the

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twentieth of September another one this

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time a hundred and one recipients

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essentially everyone was on any of the

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previous emails they received another

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open letter it's addressed to Social

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Services Minister Christian Porter and

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refers to financial incentives for

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medical interventions in healthy people

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at breach of the Nuremberg code I'm sure

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mr. Porter was thrilled with the update

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provided by mr. x y limon quote i'm

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writing to inform you that as of the 28

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of September 2016 the response i have

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received from the university of

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wollongong professor allison jones and

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heather hitman by the way every time she

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mentions Alison Jones she writes

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toxicologist and then Heather adventure

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at nutrition it's like we need to know

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that they're not in vaccines it's very

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important so the response i received is

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silence dr. Justin Avery has responded

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that the University scientific community

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supports with gusto the government

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social services policy but he has not

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provided any evidence for this position

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darren saunders university of new south

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wales echoes this opinion and dr. maria

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mikhay associate professor Heath Aykroyd

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Aykroyd and dr. Warren rich have asked

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to be removed from this e-mail debate

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but as of the 20th of September they

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have not removed their names from the UW

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website and they are certain where they

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are supporting unsubstantiated opinion

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as email on Immunization end quote

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clearly Judy doesn't get the point of

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these responses in mostly silent silence

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because she ends their email with the

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following quote I state again that if

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your w academics would like to be

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removed from this email debate without

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Allison Jones or Heather Yeatman

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providing evidence for their claims I

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direct you to remove your names from the

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UW website where you are providing your

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opinion and not evidence-based medicine

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that the government's immunization

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policies are safe effective and

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necessary end quote amusingly she signs

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this email with kind regards I'm glad

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she didn't say lots of love or something

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seven hours later that's a thick one

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that's like four pages or something

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seven hours later but after the clock

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has already ticked into the 29th of

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September another email she's a bit like

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Donald Trump in you know busy busy in

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the middle of the night this time it's

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not an open letter but into internal

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matter within the university of

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wollongong where she complains that her

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formal academic complaint regarding

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harassment of deformation while studying

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at the university of wollongong was not

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handled properly curiously she copies 81

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people on this email including all of

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the signatories to Professor eatments

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letter just interesting among among her

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complaints quote UOW published Heather

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Hitman's nutrition views of vaccination

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on the UW website one week after my

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in-depth thesis on Australia's

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vaccination policies was published on

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the UW website this enabled my PhD

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thesis to be disparaged by Alison Jones

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on the Australian skeptics Inc lobby

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group website

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it was then disparage further by the SAV

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end and Friends of science lobby group

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and in the Australian newspaper end

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quote a day later 30th of September

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another one another open letter to

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Minister Porter copied the world in its

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dog the letter contains the usual

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falsehood but the reason it's

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interesting is that we are starting to

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see Judy really crack this is how the

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letter starts quote directives silence

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or no response to these directives is an

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admission that your policy is invalid

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one I direct you to provide me with a

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legitimate public health reason for

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making the full schedule of vaccine 16

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plus mandatory for social welfare

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benefits in 2016 2 I direct Allison

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Jones toxicologist an executive dean of

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the UW faculty of science medicine and

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health to provide her professional

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opinion that the combining the listed

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ingredients in the schedule of 16 plus

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vaccines mandated in this policy in

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newborn infant / children / adults is

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safe and health promoting in a

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genetically diverse population end quote

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she actually says directives and if you

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think that's not enough this entire

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section is in bold in the email so she's

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getting very shouty and very angry she

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ends by saying quote Silence or no

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response is an admission that this

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policy is invalid and you and those who

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are supporting this policy will be

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liable for any ill health or death that

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arises from this policy policy in the

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population end quote and then quote I

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await your response to the directives I

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have outlined above and i will take

552
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silence as no respond no response as an

553
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admission that there is no valid reason

554
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for these social services no job no VA

555
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policy and those that are supporting it

556
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will be liable for any harm that is

557
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caused in the australian population and

558
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quote one day later a short one this

559
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time it's the first of october we are

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few days few days ago email number seven

561
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this time it's to Professor Allison

562
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Jones and copying a hundred and three

563
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academics and politicians and media

564
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let's it includes a copy of the previous

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day's email with the directives and

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starts with the following quote

567
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yesterday I copied you into the email

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that I sent to the Minister for Social

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Services the Honorable Christian Porter

570
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MP I'm forwarding my letter to you

571
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directly to ensure that i receive a

572
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reply from you good luck with that

573
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government ministers in public health

574
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authorities involved in with

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immunization policy are obliged to

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provide information to the public under

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the Public Service Act I'm there for

578
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directing you and the Minister for

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Social Services to answer the two

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directives listed below that are

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critical to the implementation of

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coercive and mandatory immunization

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policies in social welfare policies and

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also in many employment situations end

585
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quote all this could be quite amusing

586
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when it's just one somewhat unhinged

587
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person with an unjustified PhD sending

588
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long emails but that's not where it ends

589
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a few hours after Judy's email number

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seven an unknown number of people

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received an email from one Jennifer

592
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Haywood Jennifer clearly knows how to

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use bcc and our journey while amanda zia

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to master so we don't know how the full

595
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list of recipients but its extensive

596
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because we actually received it within

597
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minutes from multiple sources so it's

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been out there probably the same list of

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recipients the author states that quote

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Australian universities used to be

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places where controversial issues were

602
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openly debated university students led

603
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protests against government decisions

604
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during the Vietnam War debate was

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encouraged not suppressed by university

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authorities end quote and goes on to

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quote respectfully ask that you remove

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the post for me on your website as a

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sign of good faith and arrange the

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appropriate debate with dr. Parliament

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so this issue can be debated reasonably

612
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and to the credit of the University of

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Wollongong end quote she signs off as

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Jennifer Haywood investigative

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researcher Canberra was really

616
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interested to know what kind of research

617
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as she is so I looked her up and on

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facebook under education self-described

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investigative research Oh Jennifer

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Haywood has one entry rockhampton Girls

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Grammar School so

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this is clearly not over a divx

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campaigners will continue to harass

624
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academics and politicians with these

625
00:26:20,969 --> 00:26:19,539
emails while it is safe to say that none

626
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of the email recipients take any of

627
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these claims seriously this affair

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clearly demonstrates how incompetent the

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decision to award a PhD to Julie element

630
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was everyone involved on our side of the

631
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argument said at the time that she would

632
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use this to increase her reach and

633
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impact and unfortunately we were not

634
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wrong let this be a lesson to other

635
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universities academic freedom does not

636
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Trump quality of scholarship and it

637
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definitely doesn't Trump public health

638
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you iggin all those principles at your

639
00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:49,749
peril I have a quick comment to make

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regarding my talk to ensure there is no

641
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misunderstanding while I was happy to

642
00:26:57,089 --> 00:26:55,119
take credit for various activities on

643
00:26:58,769 --> 00:26:57,099
behalf of Australian skeptics it should

644
00:27:01,169 --> 00:26:58,779
be noted that i was at least to some

645
00:27:02,879 --> 00:27:01,179
extent being sarcastic mostly it's

646
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:02,889
because two groups in particular stop

647
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the ABN and friends of science and

648
00:27:08,849 --> 00:27:06,369
medicine have been at least as active in

649
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:08,859
many cases more while we work closely

650
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:10,690
together it is a constant feeling of

651
00:27:14,879 --> 00:27:12,609
anti-vaxxers that they think everybody

652
00:27:17,789 --> 00:27:14,889
who's against them is a spawn of Satan I

653
00:27:19,229 --> 00:27:17,799
mean spawn of Australian skeptics and I

654
00:27:26,849 --> 00:27:19,239
didn't mean to imply that they're right

655
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,859
because they're not thank you thank you

656
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:28,960
very much around together which was so

657
00:27:33,989 --> 00:27:31,690
nice to have a grain of salt back on the

658
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,999
skeptic zone folks over them the eight

659
00:27:38,009 --> 00:27:35,440
years of the skeptic zone of course

660
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:38,019
without reporters many reporters come

661
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:40,450
and go next time people often give their

662
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:42,820
time quite freely accept the main art he

663
00:27:47,489 --> 00:27:45,539
insists on being fed from time to time

664
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but we've had a lot of different

665
00:27:52,229 --> 00:27:49,330
reporters and it's really nice that it

666
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:52,239
runs back this time with these grain of

667
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:55,450
salt now our next scene on the show is

668
00:27:59,700 --> 00:27:57,849
actually a pre-recorded from our

669
00:28:01,229 --> 00:27:59,710
reporting as Sandra Perryman Donna

670
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Cassandra very much let me just get my

671
00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:04,299
notes as I said this will all be edited

672
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:05,830
out in the final version so it'll sound

673
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:06,590
really great

674
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so this is a the cache files report with

675
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:12,440
dr. Cassandra she's going to be talking

676
00:28:17,169 --> 00:28:15,350
about hypnosis so since it is a pre

677
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:17,179
record you don't have to give you a full

678
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,320
attention to the front of the room

679
00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:20,720
obviously it should come out over the

680
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:22,100
speakers but it might be also a good

681
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,220
time to slip over to the bar and give me

682
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,679
another drink I'm going to sound

683
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:29,990
downstairs with the silo I see all right

684
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,570
so here's the report enough then we'll

685
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:34,490
have our first prize so this is dr.

686
00:28:56,779 --> 00:28:44,840
Cassandra's report about hypnosis the

687
00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:59,970
hello skeptics zone live this is dr.

688
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:01,750
Cassandra Perryman and I'm going to

689
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:04,870
discuss hypnosis in this episode of the

690
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:11,770
cats files when I tell anyone new in my

691
00:29:15,659 --> 00:29:13,510
life that I'm a psychologist there's a

692
00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:15,669
good 50-50 chance they'll bring up Freud

693
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and hypnosis although i'm not fond of

694
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:21,429
that topic it is still marginally better

695
00:29:28,169 --> 00:29:23,470
than the old does that mean you can read

696
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:28,179
my mind yes that joke is old folks well

697
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:29,770
and that explains why I tell people I'm

698
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:31,270
a psychometrician there's just no

699
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:33,820
comeback for that but anyhow back to

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Freud and hypnosis first Freud is a side

701
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step off of psychology he's taught in

702
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:41,649
basic introduction classes as part of

703
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,390
our history but he's not a psychologist

704
00:29:49,139 --> 00:29:46,240
per se Freud instead founded the field

705
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,149
of psychotherapy granted our two fields

706
00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:51,039
joined together for academic conventions

707
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and work together in private practice

708
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:55,330
but a psychologist is technically not a

709
00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:57,880
psychotherapist and vice versa but

710
00:30:02,669 --> 00:29:59,950
really I digress what does Freud though

711
00:30:04,649 --> 00:30:02,679
have to do with hypnosis well Freud was

712
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:04,659
for at least part of his career heavily

713
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:06,460
involved in hypnosis and believe that

714
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:09,130
psychoanalysis is the air of hypnosis

715
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:11,260
which was actually founded in around

716
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:15,760
1770 by Franz Mesmer in 1916 Freud even

717
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:18,070
wrote quote we do not forget how much

718
00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:19,720
encouragement and theoretical

719
00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:22,600
clarification we owe to it meaning the

720
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:26,020
field of hypnosis hypnosis is used by

721
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psychotherapist and even some

722
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,710
psychologists in that instance the

723
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:31,600
person usually has a masters or PhD in

724
00:30:35,070 --> 00:30:33,070
therapy and they choose to use

725
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:35,080
hypnotherapy as one of their tools if

726
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:37,870
the person is a hypnotherapist though

727
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:42,130
well that's a different game you see

728
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:44,289
hypnotherapy is a completely unregulated

729
00:30:49,169 --> 00:30:46,809
industry in both Australia and in the

730
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:49,179
u.s. they have their own licensing body

731
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in their own system of providing

732
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:52,690
accreditation to programs the same

733
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programs that a lot of clinical and

734
00:30:59,220 --> 00:30:57,309
psychotherapist practitioners take no

735
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:59,230
post-secondary degrees actually required

736
00:31:03,139 --> 00:31:01,480
into the programs according to the

737
00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:03,149
American Association of Professional

738
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:05,169
hypnotherapists quote in the United

739
00:31:09,389 --> 00:31:06,970
States hypnotherapy is an unregulated

740
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:09,399
profession some would say it's a self

741
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:09,890
regular

742
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:12,110
profession meaning you do not require a

743
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,510
license to offer provide and charge for

744
00:31:19,870 --> 00:31:17,360
hypnotherapy services for the skeptical

745
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:19,880
movement that's a serious red flag but

746
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:21,530
in this case and in the right clinical

747
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:23,630
practice that red is a bit more of a

748
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:26,600
pink you see hypnosis has been shown to

749
00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:28,610
be somewhat effective at least for pain

750
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:30,350
management and potentially fatigue and

751
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:32,450
anxiety but the evidence just isn't

752
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:34,460
there for smoking cessation or even

753
00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:36,290
weight loss funny enough though those

754
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:38,150
are the two most advertised purposes of

755
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:41,210
hypnosis now I'd be remiss if I didn't

756
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:42,770
say that repressed memories and past

757
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:45,110
lives are not a thing and there are no

758
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:47,330
rampant satanic cults roaming the US

759
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:49,160
country side no matter what a bunch of

760
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:51,640
hypnotherapists in the 80s and 90s said

761
00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:55,610
so though what is hypnosis according to

762
00:32:00,040 --> 00:31:56,870
the good old Oxford English Dictionary

763
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:00,050
hypnosis is quote the induction of a

764
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,390
state of consciousness in which a person

765
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apparently loses the power of voluntary

766
00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:07,190
action and is highly responsive to

767
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suggestion or direction in quote by pure

768
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:12,890
definition hypnosis is at least

769
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:16,220
partially possible individuals in high

770
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,500
states of duress or fatigue are easily

771
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:21,110
suggestible and some have even said that

772
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:24,110
their actions were involuntary remember

773
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:26,030
back to the story of Patty Hearst the

774
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:27,800
idea of Stockholm Syndrome are the

775
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,660
myriad of false police confessions

776
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:31,250
elicited through manipulation and

777
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:34,550
fatigue it happens and those experience

778
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:35,750
at least partially matched the

779
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,060
definition of hypnosis the person is

780
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:40,310
under extraordinary duress they

781
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:42,680
apparently lose their own power of will

782
00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:44,390
and voluntary action and then they are

783
00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:47,180
highly responsive to the suggestion or

784
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:49,420
direction given to them by an outsider

785
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:52,940
the problem though is to specific

786
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:55,400
aspects of the definition first is this

787
00:33:00,460 --> 00:32:57,170
altered state of consciousness and

788
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:00,470
second is the loss of voluntary action

789
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:03,470
thus far hypnotherapist failed to

790
00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:05,390
provide scientific evidence that either

791
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:08,030
actually happen we don't even really

792
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:10,010
have a definition for altered state of

793
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:12,440
consciousness and loss of voluntary

794
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:15,110
action is a very easy cop-out when you

795
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:17,390
do something you shouldn't have if we

796
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:19,910
change the definition though to exclude

797
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:22,490
those two problematic aspects we have a

798
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:23,570
phenomenon that

799
00:33:28,450 --> 00:33:26,060
search has already shown exists this

800
00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:28,460
would make hypnotherapy kind of a mental

801
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:30,680
placebo and that there was little to no

802
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:32,330
difference between actually being

803
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:34,460
hypnotized or just pretending or

804
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:37,490
thinking you were hypnotized it is a

805
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:40,730
very interesting concept in the end

806
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:43,370
though if hypnosis actually induced the

807
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,050
defined state of consciousness and the

808
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:47,120
individual lost voluntary control of

809
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:50,140
their actions is it even ethical is

810
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,820
forcing an individual to take direction

811
00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:56,240
involuntary ethical at all wouldn't it

812
00:34:00,010 --> 00:33:57,620
be better than to change the definition

813
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,020
to match an already known phenomenon and

814
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:02,480
openly embrace them until Placido I

815
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:04,610
suppose that's a philosophical debate

816
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:06,740
for the field of hypnotherapy and not

817
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,900
one for the psychologists that was the

818
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:19,280
case files and thank you to dr.

819
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:21,050
Cassandra Berryman over the United

820
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:23,750
States who said that through for us to

821
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enjoy tonight for the skeptics don't

822
00:34:29,890 --> 00:34:27,760
live now we come to the first prize

823
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giveaway of the evening and what a

824
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:32,420
wonderful prize it is the memory code

825
00:34:39,420 --> 00:34:35,570
autographed by Dr Lin Kelly this is the

826
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:39,430
book making major waves around the world

827
00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:42,170
investigation into how ancient cultures

828
00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:44,360
remembered things and they kept their

829
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:46,430
family traditions going it's a

830
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:50,650
fascinating book and the bookmark is a

831
00:34:58,059 --> 00:34:54,410
an Australian skeptics card autographed

832
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:00,890
yeah he had to get a mention Jane no I'd

833
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:02,609
let I've got you've got all your tickets

834
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,430
yes so may not would you like to step

835
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:08,520
forward hey yeah it's good si james

836
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:10,049
randi getting up foo it's about time to

837
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:14,250
on yourself good on the ground all right

838
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:15,690
one by booing but I like that it's

839
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,150
always good to have at least one okay so

840
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:20,400
tickets many may not do the honors

841
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:26,630
please and winning number is hmm hang on

842
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:29,250
now any magician in the room below he's

843
00:35:32,059 --> 00:35:30,540
just going to replace that with a friend

844
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:32,069
of his I don't haven't let any friends

845
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:37,049
okay uh yeah let's see how big nozzle on

846
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:38,579
for this one the non prescription ones

847
00:35:48,799 --> 00:35:45,180
too Oh much easier to read with it so

848
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:48,809
it's a blue ticket everybody's got a

849
00:36:00,760 --> 00:35:52,140
blue to you oh I can't believe I because

850
00:36:04,220 --> 00:36:00,770
it it's a 10 10 the man in the blue suit

851
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,230
there you are sir I I think this is a

852
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:06,420
book that rabbis look up to see what's

853
00:36:09,859 --> 00:36:07,740
going to happen in the future they are

854
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:09,869
the memory card in joyous feeling that

855
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:13,430
was going to happen you must be exciting

856
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:16,290
hey you may not then you know I love you

857
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:18,420
in it he's actually so excited shirts

858
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:20,730
become untucked that's excitement that's

859
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:23,579
its home no we have more prizes to give

860
00:36:26,569 --> 00:36:25,049
away in the second half of the show but

861
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:26,579
to round off the first time on the show

862
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:28,650
and they'll be a 10 minute break where

863
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:30,569
you wouldn't they can run to the bar

864
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:32,700
well I believe the thing to say is to go

865
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:34,500
to the Baron say sailors and minimum

866
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:36,770
spend to use that in the same sentence

867
00:36:43,309 --> 00:36:40,290
what works downstairs what should I I

868
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:43,319
like thank you may know and I'd like to

869
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:45,900
entertain go back and be embedded now

870
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:46,850
into the crowd

871
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:49,070
okay but i'll be taking my chocolate

872
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:51,470
coins Whitney who once one I know thank

873
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:53,240
you that you may not like to introduce

874
00:37:02,260 --> 00:36:55,250
our guest reporter our guest editorial

875
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:02,270
reporter cigna dinging everybody now hi

876
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:04,760
I'm cigna Dean I'm probably one of those

877
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:07,970
well-placed journalists in the skeptics

878
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:10,060
humble worried that they know about that

879
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:13,400
tonight I'm not a journalist here I'm

880
00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:15,580
just a member of the skeptic committee

881
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:19,190
but my report is a little bit about some

882
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:22,610
experiences I have had recently in the

883
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:24,950
cross section between skepticism and

884
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:28,130
journalism so the story oh yeah and

885
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:29,510
because it's a bit of a radio play

886
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:31,130
element Richard will be helping me out a

887
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:33,980
bit later on so the story here basically

888
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:37,100
starts with my really amazing dentist

889
00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:39,530
I'm talking about her because she's

890
00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:41,480
great she's super professional she's

891
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:44,660
very good at fixing my teeth and thanks

892
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:46,370
to her diagnostic skills I also

893
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:47,900
discovered that the reason I have

894
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:49,370
mystery headaches for like years and

895
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:51,320
years is because I grind my teeth at

896
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:54,380
night I also think my dentist is nice

897
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:56,690
because she doesn't make fun of me I

898
00:38:02,410 --> 00:37:58,970
thought she would when I broke my tooth

899
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:02,420
on a skittle and landed in her chair not

900
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:05,090
long after I had broken a different

901
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:06,740
tooth on a piece of pork crackling

902
00:38:10,330 --> 00:38:08,180
although I was eating a delicious

903
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:10,340
vietnamese salad so it was kind of worth

904
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:14,060
it so of course being a dentist she does

905
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:15,890
charge a lot of money so I'm sure she

906
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:18,080
doesn't entirely mind that my teeth are

907
00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:22,430
just so ridiculously bad but she has

908
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,100
also told me that if I had been exposed

909
00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:27,920
to more fluoride in my childhood chewing

910
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:29,720
and hard foods wouldn't be so dramatic

911
00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:31,970
and scary as it is to mean these days

912
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:33,740
for example just don't offer meat pork

913
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:36,650
crackling the thing is I didn't grow up

914
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:38,630
here in Australia I grew up in Latvia

915
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:42,710
and in Latvia water fluoridation is not

916
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:44,600
really a thing or at least it wasn't

917
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:47,360
back when I was growing up there and on

918
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:49,610
top of that I also failed the genetic

919
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:51,650
lottery so it just means that mighty

920
00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:54,050
side just generally just brittle the

921
00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:55,670
enamels really weak they're just not

922
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,590
that great to begin with plus no

923
00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:00,320
fluoride now over the

924
00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:02,420
past two years I've broken a tooth four

925
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,120
times in total and I lost one of them so

926
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,280
they're really bad and that's why I'm so

927
00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:08,720
grateful that my dentist doesn't make

928
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:11,660
fun of me as you can imagine slowly

929
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:14,930
losing my teeth before I'm even 30 has

930
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:16,460
been pretty stressful and pretty

931
00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:20,000
expensive so that's why I really love

932
00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:21,860
the joke that anti fluoridation

933
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:23,990
activists are actually running a racket

934
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:28,250
for dentists you probably heard the news

935
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:30,950
last week that Mackay Council in

936
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:33,530
Queensland voted to stop adding fluoride

937
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:37,010
to its drinking supply that decision was

938
00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:39,710
made with six boats against five so it's

939
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:42,860
not totally hopeless over there but it

940
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:44,870
was hopeless enough to make such an

941
00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:47,090
important public health decision for in

942
00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:50,600
the wrong hands basically now you most

943
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:52,340
of you probably know that Queensland has

944
00:39:58,270 --> 00:39:54,350
had a long shoddy history with water

945
00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,280
fluoridation the state currently has 77

946
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:00,980
councils three of them have naturally

947
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:03,100
occurring fluoride so they don't need it

948
00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:06,350
24 do add fluoride to their water supply

949
00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:08,270
and thankfully that does include the

950
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:10,460
bigger ones you know Brisbane Gulf Coast

951
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:13,670
so that's pretty good but that still

952
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:16,610
leaves us with 50 councils in Queensland

953
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,740
that refused to add this benefit

954
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:21,440
beneficial chemical to their water the

955
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:22,940
reason for that is basically because

956
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:25,250
it's just not compulsory over there so

957
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:27,880
you think it's a paradise for dentists

958
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:30,710
however if you read the media you'll

959
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:32,090
notice the dentist's over there

960
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:35,330
regularly a going to the media asking

961
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:37,250
for mandatory fluoridation statewide

962
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:39,260
like they don't want this to be

963
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:41,540
happening apparently kids dental health

964
00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:43,930
rates are pretty appalling in Queensland

965
00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:46,820
now mckays council decision is

966
00:40:51,610 --> 00:40:49,580
especially bizarre because just three

967
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:51,620
weeks ago we heard from the National

968
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:53,420
Health and Medical Research Council or

969
00:41:00,520 --> 00:40:57,020
NHMRC for short on this very same issue

970
00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:00,530
of water fluoridation they on the 42

971
00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:02,540
September they release the latest draft

972
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:04,340
paper on the health effects of water

973
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:06,710
fluoridation and here's the research

974
00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:08,690
councils take home message from that

975
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:11,900
paper and I quote the findings add to a

976
00:41:16,270 --> 00:41:13,970
long history of research that shows

977
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:16,280
water fluoridation helps to reduce to

978
00:41:20,589 --> 00:41:18,890
decay in children and adults this

979
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,599
current review shows that community

980
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:22,640
water fluoridation within the current

981
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:26,000
Australian range does not cause harm so

982
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:28,250
that's what the NHMRC is saying now

983
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:29,930
being a science reporter and a

984
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,200
journalist I used this news to write a

985
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:35,119
quick article on it to be a science

986
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,030
about why fluoridation is deemed safe so

987
00:41:41,650 --> 00:41:39,680
basically and explain our source that

988
00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:41,660
people can share facebook and read and

989
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,460
maybe get a bit of a background Anisha

990
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:46,640
and here's a comment on facebook that I

991
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:49,609
received from that article it is more

992
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:52,550
than clear in the science I studied and

993
00:41:59,460 --> 00:41:55,130
peer-reviewed papers that this toxin

994
00:42:01,870 --> 00:41:59,470
must be removed from the water supply so

995
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:01,880
according to the latest eligible

996
00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:04,880
literature review by NHMRC adding

997
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:07,099
fluoride to drinking water reduces to

998
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:09,560
decay by twenty six to forty four

999
00:42:14,859 --> 00:42:12,140
percent in children teenagers and adult

1000
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:14,869
you can get mild fluorosis which is a

1001
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:16,609
thing people often complain about when

1002
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,290
they think about fluoride that's you get

1003
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,960
those white streaks on your teeth but

1004
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:22,550
that does not affect their function and

1005
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:24,710
there are ways to avoid fluorosis before

1006
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:26,450
it happens so basically fluoride

1007
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,000
harmless but fear not here's another

1008
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:31,520
comment on facebook on that article on

1009
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:33,580
how fluoridation is perfectly safe

1010
00:42:39,849 --> 00:42:37,280
fluoride is a neurotoxin do you even

1011
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:39,859
understand what that is if you don't

1012
00:42:50,579 --> 00:42:48,450
again according to the research council

1013
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:50,589
who actually know how to evaluate

1014
00:42:56,759 --> 00:42:53,140
evidence water fluoridation has no

1015
00:42:59,579 --> 00:42:56,769
association with IQ or cancer or down

1016
00:43:01,920 --> 00:42:59,589
syndrome or mortality or hip fractures

1017
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:01,930
or bone cancers that's all in that draft

1018
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:05,410
paper it's listed there starting with IQ

1019
00:43:09,779 --> 00:43:08,440
because fluoride you know according to

1020
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:09,789
that previous comment is apparently

1021
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,490
making us all he did but what does the

1022
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,319
concern public think about that here's

1023
00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:16,720
another one why has fluoride in drinking

1024
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:19,240
water being banned across Europe so it's

1025
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:21,609
a different person yeah it's a different

1026
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:22,900
person each side these are all different

1027
00:43:28,049 --> 00:43:25,510
people everyone and also this person

1028
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:28,059
spelt it flour right it's a common

1029
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:31,180
origin why has flour riding drinking

1030
00:43:37,289 --> 00:43:33,490
water being banned across Europe yeah um

1031
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:37,299
it hasn't let's move on the research

1032
00:43:41,549 --> 00:43:39,190
council points out in the draft paper

1033
00:43:43,529 --> 00:43:41,559
that floor I data drinking water is not

1034
00:43:47,279 --> 00:43:43,539
considered a therapeutic good or a

1035
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:47,289
medicine by that by our own TGA you bet

1036
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:50,170
there was a comment about that too what

1037
00:43:54,859 --> 00:43:52,900
drug ever is administered by putting it

1038
00:43:57,539 --> 00:43:54,869
in the drinking water again not a drug

1039
00:44:00,420 --> 00:43:57,549
how do you possibly control how much is

1040
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:00,430
consumed poor pharmacology poor

1041
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:04,690
reporting unfollowing usps sorry to see

1042
00:44:09,299 --> 00:44:07,569
them go so even medical researchers

1043
00:44:11,759 --> 00:44:09,309
scrutinize all the available evidence

1044
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,769
and declare that there are no adverse

1045
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:13,599
health effects for Australians drinking

1046
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:15,849
fluoridated water you will still get

1047
00:44:20,999 --> 00:44:18,910
people who also say this the flu ride

1048
00:44:23,849 --> 00:44:21,009
added to our water supply is not the

1049
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:23,859
naturally occurring kind it is the waste

1050
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:28,240
product often sourced from China outrage

1051
00:44:32,999 --> 00:44:30,970
why didn't they uncovered this in my you

1052
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,009
know highly difficult research writing

1053
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,680
this article as with any good public

1054
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,079
health can sport conspiracy it's obvious

1055
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,240
we can't make people love fluoride by

1056
00:44:45,059 --> 00:44:42,240
presenting them with more evidence

1057
00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:45,069
especially when they seem to only read

1058
00:44:50,279 --> 00:44:47,349
the headline on Facebook and start

1059
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:50,289
furiously typing in the comment box so

1060
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:52,299
that's why my personal favorite comment

1061
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:54,789
under that article was this one the

1062
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,650
people worried about fluoride poisoning

1063
00:45:03,950 --> 00:44:58,720
are more likely to suffer from

1064
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,020
so can we curating for a hat syndrome

1065
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:09,760
with science unfortunately probably not

1066
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:17,140
thank you thank you I really

1067
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:19,210
appreciating the stepping forward to

1068
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,910
give a a guest editorial on the skeptic

1069
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:23,440
zone and I hope she can do some more in

1070
00:45:28,589 --> 00:45:25,930
the future now folks we have a 10 minute

1071
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:28,599
break but then why we just make sure the

1072
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:30,910
show's running along may not why don't

1073
00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:32,500
they head to the barn buy you a drink I

1074
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:34,840
think there's a minimum spend that's

1075
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:37,300
mine will see you like i'ma class go see

1076
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:42,640
you all make your intention to you now

1077
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:43,930
we were just taking the 10-minute break

1078
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:45,190
here so i thought i'd take a chance to

1079
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:46,840
come to the table it's pretty exciting

1080
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:49,180
here a bunch of rowdy noisy people one

1081
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:50,440
of them as an invoice shirts tucked in

1082
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:51,460
so you tell what kinda night is

1083
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:53,290
expecting it just look who we got here

1084
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:57,070
we've got Jeff Colleen and Jenny and all

1085
00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:58,570
good to see here there's live recording

1086
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:59,650
why do you think of the new venue for

1087
00:46:04,829 --> 00:46:02,560
these skeptics in the pub much better

1088
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:04,839
more room not as crowded menu not too

1089
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,660
bad can see everything can hear

1090
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,720
everything yeah no no rowdy in dalek

1091
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:13,839
user needs or cooties yes and I couldn't

1092
00:46:18,359 --> 00:46:16,210
believe I put a one out of the bloody

1093
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:18,369
raffle thing of all things i thought

1094
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:20,740
we're gonna get rigged or redraw but no

1095
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:22,510
yeah so you make sure you at the front

1096
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,770
of the queue and they take something in

1097
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:26,560
there we got here earlier we got 0 1 and

1098
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:28,690
0 2 and a third year fat chance but

1099
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:31,180
being a skeptic I know it's got just as

1100
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:33,010
much a chance as any other number good

1101
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:42,540
how could be great addis gentleman's

1102
00:46:45,540 --> 00:46:44,200
gonna buy me a drink a diet coke could

1103
00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:45,550
be great so thank you what's your name

1104
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:47,980
sir Johnny oh god Bless You Johnny god

1105
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:50,170
bless you think it Wow blimey there's

1106
00:46:59,070 --> 00:46:54,970
John you get me a drink there ladies and

1107
00:47:03,510 --> 00:46:59,080
gentlemen if you please pass your third

1108
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:03,520
eye towards the stage hopefully in line

1109
00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:04,900
with your other two eyes you know the

1110
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:08,080
senior across either us um we are

1111
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:09,670
kicking off in the next segment all the

1112
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:17,380
skeptics are for 16 and that one and

1113
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:19,660
just kick off this segment we are going

1114
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:22,540
to talk to my heart who is going to talk

1115
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,550
to Brad Mike I play the theme using it

1116
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:34,480
as we can't do anything without the

1117
00:47:46,819 --> 00:47:43,610
here's mine on spooky action at a

1118
00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:49,559
we've got some spooky action for you too

1119
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:51,220
in fact this in it this interview so

1120
00:47:57,059 --> 00:47:55,210
good I've got two microphones yeah it's

1121
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:57,069
like a press conference where are the

1122
00:48:00,120 --> 00:47:58,690
long-term studies where are the

1123
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:00,130
long-term studies that was actually

1124
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:02,109
breaking marantz last words not many

1125
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:04,180
people know that it was it was not shoot

1126
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,529
straight you bastards it was wearing the

1127
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:08,319
long-term studies well I have a doctor

1128
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:10,750
here which university did you go to sir

1129
00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:13,930
I go to the University of Wollongong so

1130
00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:17,140
that's fine I'm just thinking since I've

1131
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:18,369
never been to university that's

1132
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:19,630
something pretty good for getting a

1133
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:21,880
degree because I mean you are a

1134
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:24,430
well-known doctor and they have a

1135
00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:26,440
self-proclaimed researcher I'm actually

1136
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:31,630
a self-proclaimed pharmacist yeah mainly

1137
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:33,750
on the weekends after about midnight and

1138
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:36,490
all I can say is it's a small guest

1139
00:48:42,299 --> 00:48:39,730
group but we're all very happy because

1140
00:48:43,769 --> 00:48:42,309
red is a course on embarrassing bodies

1141
00:48:47,309 --> 00:48:43,779
which is something i read on use fetlife

1142
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:47,319
prosper profile and it's an i figure

1143
00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:48,910
that's kind of a pretty wild statement

1144
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:51,400
to be making but but it's a pretty wild

1145
00:48:57,329 --> 00:48:53,890
show I mean you took em everybody fear

1146
00:49:01,950 --> 00:48:57,339
oh no that's not nice you do revisions

1147
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,960
to begin the corner oh okay ladies and

1148
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:03,760
gentlemen please welcome from television

1149
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:11,950
I read that on Wikipedia because I would

1150
00:49:16,750 --> 00:49:13,940
never go to any other website that is a

1151
00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:16,760
wealth of information I now the earlier

1152
00:49:19,390 --> 00:49:18,260
are we going to refer back to earlier in

1153
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:19,400
the show where we were having a bit of a

1154
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:21,410
chat about vaccinations there and it's

1155
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,550
mentioned that it's one of the great

1156
00:49:26,860 --> 00:49:25,280
public health initiatives of our time is

1157
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:26,870
that is that your public stance on it do

1158
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:29,390
you ever let anyone do you ever sign a

1159
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:31,160
thing that says that they cannot have

1160
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:33,080
vaccinations when they ask for in your

1161
00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:34,520
office one thing of the modern day

1162
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:37,400
plumbing vaccinations really second to

1163
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:41,120
helping the civilization I did have a

1164
00:49:47,140 --> 00:49:43,880
patient who came in for the first time

1165
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:47,150
at the clinic wanting me to sign a form

1166
00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:49,700
for children to make them exempt from

1167
00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:51,980
getting vaccinations I've never met them

1168
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:53,390
before I've never actually seen his

1169
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,490
children before but they wanted me to

1170
00:50:02,830 --> 00:49:57,680
sign the form to say they don't need

1171
00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:02,840
their jams and so I asked what grounds

1172
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:05,060
he had to novaks tomatoes children

1173
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,380
wondering if they had a medical

1174
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:08,720
condition and he said no it's it's a

1175
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:11,510
it's just because I don't want to I said

1176
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:13,690
well that's not considered to be

1177
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,610
relevant at the moment you still need to

1178
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:18,800
protect your children do you like this

1179
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:20,180
or any other reason because odds because

1180
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:22,970
of religious views so what what

1181
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:25,700
religious views do you have is like all

1182
00:50:32,590 --> 00:50:30,080
my family's religious views on what

1183
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:32,600
religion does your family have and and

1184
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:34,970
he just didn't like just jump from the

1185
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:36,470
topic and said you can't tell me that

1186
00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:38,330
there aren't any Muslims out there that

1187
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:40,580
don't like vaccinate their children or

1188
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:43,640
forced to do it okay wouldn't it be a

1189
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:45,910
way to being racist and we do

1190
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,609
religious but but also like there is no

1191
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:51,280
reason in the Muslim religion to not

1192
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:53,049
vaccinate your children it's really

1193
00:51:00,450 --> 00:50:56,740
important to do that and so I decided

1194
00:51:02,099 --> 00:51:00,460
that I would sign this form I'm angry at

1195
00:51:05,309 --> 00:51:02,109
me didn't even say what religion he was

1196
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:05,319
no no oh I hope he's going to say

1197
00:51:08,849 --> 00:51:06,730
Catholic and you'd say well can you just

1198
00:51:10,859 --> 00:51:08,859
explain transubstantiation for me like

1199
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:10,869
Madden and then i'll happily sign

1200
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,569
whatever you want no so no religion

1201
00:51:17,849 --> 00:51:16,240
whatsoever so long yes i said well i

1202
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:17,859
think that you're a danger to children

1203
00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:20,740
and evidently to society and so I think

1204
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:22,420
they're actually sign your form and

1205
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:29,650
confusion in vaccinating children to see

1206
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:31,270
near the clinic but yeah is that so the

1207
00:51:40,289 --> 00:51:38,559
consultation went well okay well look at

1208
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,299
and are you doing another season of

1209
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:43,599
embarrassing bodies no no I'm being busy

1210
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:45,160
doing a whole another thing so long

1211
00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:47,710
until nine with today show in the

1212
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:50,500
morning I've just interviewed with dr.

1213
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:56,140
Bengali I've got some questions about

1214
00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:57,880
that looks like I mean there's very few

1215
00:52:01,410 --> 00:51:59,710
shows I've seen with a star the show

1216
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:01,420
walks off stage and says I'm going for a

1217
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:05,680
week that's very entertaining especially

1218
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:07,510
when is it and did you go to people and

1219
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:10,210
there's only one person on the stage

1220
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:12,770
so did you at least take a radio mic in

1221
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,150
there so people knew what was going on

1222
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:16,160
like I'm like in The Naked Gun movie I

1223
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:17,720
don't think he took it into laughter but

1224
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:19,190
i think it was turned off when he would

1225
00:52:23,289 --> 00:52:21,770
also so that you would hope so and was

1226
00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:23,299
interesting person to walk work with

1227
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:24,680
because he tend to share occasionally

1228
00:52:29,319 --> 00:52:27,049
but for no reason at all it was like it

1229
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:29,329
was on some kind of spectrum I think it

1230
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,660
was just raw milk earth to da people's

1231
00:52:37,539 --> 00:52:34,400
attention I think that that's his way of

1232
00:52:40,329 --> 00:52:37,549
doing a buddy he is a genius is a

1233
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:40,339
stunning person doctor and yeah he

1234
00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:43,099
totally knows and stuff and he's is

1235
00:52:48,609 --> 00:52:46,790
weasel as well I think he developed that

1236
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,619
yell yelling I think as he's done a few

1237
00:52:52,299 --> 00:52:50,720
9am lectures for students Oh Rick and

1238
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:52,309
that's accessible i think it just wakes

1239
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,260
him some fun it was jet lag for the

1240
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:56,000
whole time it was in Australia it was

1241
00:53:00,760 --> 00:52:57,770
only here for a week so I think like

1242
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,770
yelling quickly actually his way of

1243
00:53:04,990 --> 00:53:03,200
opening up his own arm is sore than

1244
00:53:07,210 --> 00:53:05,000
anybody else's butt but you just come

1245
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:07,220
back from a very interest it sounds like

1246
00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:09,290
a very interesting young STI cleaning in

1247
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:12,109
the US um you might be referring to

1248
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:17,569
burning man is a great name I thought

1249
00:53:22,539 --> 00:53:20,089
you know I mean yeah it'sit's does what

1250
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:22,549
it says on the label yeah man not

1251
00:53:27,099 --> 00:53:25,760
hurting your room oh yeah I can't see

1252
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:27,109
why anyone want that as a festival but

1253
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:29,150
still having a god I believe that they

1254
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:31,460
have zero carbon imprint which means

1255
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:33,230
that they smoke the entire camp before

1256
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:36,770
they leave Miley what's going on okay

1257
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:38,930
and then about 70,000 people this year

1258
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:42,140
and it's a big music festival dance

1259
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:45,170
festival all sorts of amazing our work

1260
00:53:52,299 --> 00:53:49,520
all through the this amazing desert of

1261
00:53:54,789 --> 00:53:52,309
this flat land of Black Rock City a flat

1262
00:53:56,260 --> 00:53:54,799
broke desert yelling it's a very

1263
00:53:59,140 --> 00:53:56,270
interesting hippie but

1264
00:54:01,060 --> 00:53:59,150
to go and being a skeptic I always have

1265
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:01,070
a very open eyes whenever I'm walking

1266
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:03,110
around was instantly the lunchable hey

1267
00:54:07,420 --> 00:54:05,210
are you going on there I think though I

1268
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:07,430
didn't see any purely informational ii

1269
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:09,380
but i'm i'm sure some people were having

1270
00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:11,810
their ritual ceremonies of of cactus

1271
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:13,400
juice around all that would be the

1272
00:54:18,610 --> 00:54:16,610
assault proclaimed pharmacists and do

1273
00:54:20,170 --> 00:54:18,620
you think it's it's a skeptic angles

1274
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:20,180
being introduced to it like like

1275
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:22,010
comic-con or has it grown up around

1276
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:24,020
something like that I think that's quite

1277
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:25,520
an interesting area because you have so

1278
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:28,850
many people that are very young looking

1279
00:54:32,350 --> 00:54:31,010
at the the craziness that's around

1280
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:32,360
they're trying to connect the universe

1281
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:33,590
they're taking drugs to do that

1282
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:36,400
sometimes as well the principles they

1283
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:39,590
they're often taking LSD or mushrooms or

1284
00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:41,900
cactus juice and and having these

1285
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:44,180
amazing experiences in their own brain

1286
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:46,670
and around this amazing and desert area

1287
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:48,350
but then you've also got the other side

1288
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:50,060
of Appeal they're driving around our

1289
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:52,670
cars which are let the size of dragons

1290
00:54:59,830 --> 00:54:57,830
and and yeah just amazing buses let me

1291
00:55:01,630 --> 00:54:59,840
there laid in two pirate ships fossils

1292
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:01,640
himself but these drivers have to be

1293
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:04,190
stone-cold sober to drive the round

1294
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:06,560
otherwise it there a danger and you've

1295
00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:08,360
got flame throwers around you've got all

1296
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:10,280
sorts of like in twisting and turning

1297
00:55:14,070 --> 00:55:12,350
aren't features everywhere and so you

1298
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:14,080
can have a fair amount of responsibility

1299
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:16,610
even though everyone's here it's amazing

1300
00:55:23,830 --> 00:55:20,170
party time and there's an amazing Tesla

1301
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:23,840
coil that undead starts off to the tune

1302
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,150
of Beethoven so yeah there's incredible

1303
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:32,480
science right beside very very strange

1304
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:35,260
ideas about the universe

1305
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:37,800
my friends who I was camping with is

1306
00:55:46,740 --> 00:55:42,670
dancing or so I'm so she being a dancing

1307
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:46,750
Oracle she uh she gets people to ask her

1308
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:48,460
questions about their life for the

1309
00:55:52,350 --> 00:55:50,350
universe she's like a human tarot card

1310
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,360
and by looking at her you can say i'm

1311
00:55:56,580 --> 00:55:54,700
going to have bone problems when i got

1312
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:56,590
all those another girl you ask her a

1313
00:56:01,080 --> 00:55:59,050
question and then she will just stand in

1314
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:01,090
front of you and then she will let the

1315
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:04,150
universe talk through her and she dances

1316
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:06,940
and then you just watch her dance and

1317
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:08,470
then deliver the drive she'll tell me

1318
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:11,460
were you interpret that and then you can

1319
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:13,900
understand or come to a conclusion about

1320
00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:16,090
that question that you asked her just

1321
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:19,270
from watching her and she has invented

1322
00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:21,460
something that psychics on the

1323
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:23,080
particular on the one that they've

1324
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:25,240
completely bypassed actually having to

1325
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:27,790
lie they can just say nothing and stand

1326
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:29,830
there that's a very pleasurable nation

1327
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:32,500
as a market for that so if anybody wants

1328
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:35,980
to learn the old or chapter could be

1329
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:38,470
fine but yeah she was also talking about

1330
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:43,420
her birth as well and she's she was up

1331
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:44,770
she's very disgruntled because

1332
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:46,180
apparently she was having a natural

1333
00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:49,330
delivery and then she ends up saying

1334
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:51,880
that she had an unnecessary cesarean and

1335
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:54,100
from a doctor's point of view if you're

1336
00:56:56,810 --> 00:56:55,230
having a natural delivery

1337
00:57:01,550 --> 00:56:56,820
and then you end up having an emergency

1338
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:01,560
cesarean it's probably necessary yeah I

1339
00:57:07,550 --> 00:57:03,980
think the key word there is emergency

1340
00:57:10,310 --> 00:57:07,560
and so answer we all know that aren't

1341
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:10,320
that if you have a cesarean section then

1342
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:13,230
the doctor the obstetrician cuts you

1343
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:18,990
through your ignition like a data so

1344
00:57:24,290 --> 00:57:21,150
absurd since she's had maybe four years

1345
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:24,300
ago I'll mature and then in her ignition

1346
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:26,520
was cut at that time she's been really

1347
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:30,480
sluggish to get up in the morning so

1348
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:33,450
yeah so she she wasn't sort of talking

1349
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:36,119
about having her child yeah nightmare my

1350
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:38,670
Maker a little asian women to be able to

1351
00:57:42,590 --> 00:57:40,530
everyone I'm no that's ever had a kid it

1352
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:42,600
suddenly got really sleepy for many

1353
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:45,570
years after maybe that's what it is

1354
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:50,100
we're a long time studies where you need

1355
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:53,880
to check their admission but I'd like to

1356
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:57,690
talk about drugs again because I at the

1357
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,980
Burning Man festival that they're

1358
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:01,440
experiencing psychedelics in a more

1359
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:04,050
Shaymin type of communal way that they

1360
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:05,880
were probably what thought to be

1361
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:08,430
intended it's like the it's the Paleo

1362
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:10,020
diet of drugs that they think they're

1363
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:11,430
doing like that like they had taking

1364
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:12,540
drugs the way they thought they might

1365
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,140
have been done in yeah and and do you

1366
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:18,359
think there's any anything in that in

1367
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:19,890
that like they can look after each other

1368
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:21,510
people could look at any side effects

1369
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:23,160
and intervene or something like that or

1370
00:58:27,859 --> 00:58:25,220
do you think it's just hippie poo poo

1371
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:27,869
venam during a discussion from

1372
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,380
scientists who took mushrooms at home

1373
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:33,900
with her husband standing beside her and

1374
00:58:37,339 --> 00:58:36,570
she documented all he documented

1375
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:37,349
everything

1376
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:39,630
she was saying and doing chief she

1377
00:58:43,219 --> 00:58:41,099
describes like putting her hand on the

1378
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:43,229
kitchen at home and seeing all of

1379
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:45,059
the pattern all of the woodwork from the

1380
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:46,890
kitchen bench of spreading up her arm

1381
00:58:51,799 --> 00:58:49,170
and then to the entire body Russians

1382
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:51,809
connecting with that so yeah there's

1383
00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:53,640
this interesting way that you can

1384
00:59:00,229 --> 00:58:56,670
scientifically look at drug use and and

1385
00:59:02,329 --> 00:59:00,239
see how that is connecting your your

1386
00:59:04,339 --> 00:59:02,339
brain to the universe or how your brain

1387
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,349
is altered for the experience I notice

1388
00:59:11,269 --> 00:59:06,720
you are trying really carefully not to

1389
00:59:12,469 --> 00:59:11,279
use the word holistic because holistic

1390
00:59:18,229 --> 00:59:12,479
could have actually fitted into that

1391
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:18,239
sentence you just said and in a case

1392
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,619
when someone disagrees with you in there

1393
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,359
from uni just they're usually right I'm

1394
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:23,460
saying I've lost a lot of money that way

1395
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,799
in beds over the years but where can we

1396
00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:27,359
catch you on your website maybe use the

1397
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:29,579
word holistic and all sorts of sentences

1398
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:30,930
an a they gonna go to hang out with the

1399
00:59:37,489 --> 00:59:32,819
thinking people again because they are

1400
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,499
party animals have a place they play

1401
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:39,720
Scrabble till two in the morning exactly

1402
00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:42,180
yeah going gone under the Scrabble board

1403
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:45,809
is or was it hahaha you can catch me on

1404
00:59:50,239 --> 00:59:48,420
Facebook science and on to a dr. Brandon

1405
00:59:51,620 --> 00:59:50,249
Hines cool and if we want to get some

1406
00:59:52,819 --> 00:59:51,630
letters into you next TV appearance

1407
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:52,829
where should we send some stuff into you

1408
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:53,849
but you're always looking for

1409
00:59:59,239 --> 00:59:56,460
interesting interaction off it's like my

1410
01:00:02,539 --> 00:59:59,249
dog as a soror or something like that I

1411
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:02,549
think you were thinking prove it no no

1412
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:04,440
I'm mistakingly channel 9 Morning

1413
01:00:08,170 --> 01:00:05,640
audience from knowing the difference

1414
01:00:10,460 --> 01:00:08,180
between a human doctor an event

1415
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:10,470
let's take your welcome and say good bye

1416
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,390
and bye bye which one's yours look

1417
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:24,000
there's three marcus lee said okay I'm

1418
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:27,450
times are so many rooms and by the way I

1419
01:00:33,260 --> 01:00:30,900
don't know if you watch channel 9 may

1420
01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:33,270
not of course last night on the doctor

1421
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,660
doctor program may not was playing the

1422
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:38,160
lawyer weren't you I was a lawyer lawyer

1423
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:41,730
will affairs right so that's great to

1424
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:43,850
see main on back on our TV screams now

1425
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:46,770
time to give our way our next prize

1426
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:51,570
tickets ready and to do this may not

1427
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:53,190
going to sit back just from going to be

1428
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:55,110
fully drawn rise but I got a bottom out

1429
01:00:58,940 --> 01:00:56,550
of a cannon you're gonna find that's

1430
01:01:10,340 --> 01:00:58,950
right I'd like to call up to the stage

1431
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:10,350
from thinking Susie and thank everyone

1432
01:01:18,050 --> 01:01:14,520
there was a scenario that we would never

1433
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,060
invited to anything skeptic related cuz

1434
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:20,760
in 2014 be excited for James Randi and

1435
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:23,910
we were specific advice don't beat the

1436
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,310
don't be the group that killed street

1437
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:29,520
hahaha and we didn't because he was a

1438
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:31,530
machine

1439
01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:33,900
yeah absolutely well we have had the

1440
01:01:37,310 --> 01:01:35,790
pleasure of working with the skeptics

1441
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:37,320
for a while you guys for a while we

1442
01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:39,810
haven't met you before so hello pleasure

1443
01:01:44,540 --> 01:01:41,820
of working with Iran with rich it when

1444
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:44,550
we tour James Randi with Brad Pitt up to

1445
01:01:49,100 --> 01:01:46,800
code a couple EP a-- quite closely to so

1446
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:49,110
what we do it thinking because we really

1447
01:01:54,050 --> 01:01:51,300
try and raise the discourse around

1448
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:54,060
scientific thinking rational thinking

1449
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:55,500
intelligent thought trying to make it a

1450
01:01:58,760 --> 01:01:57,570
little bit more cool and so that the

1451
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:58,770
young people can start building better

1452
01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:00,660
and I'd be a little bit more informed

1453
01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:02,040
with their decision so that's what we're

1454
01:02:06,830 --> 01:02:03,750
all about we do that by bringing really

1455
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:06,840
inspirational minds to Australia the

1456
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:09,290
biggest thinkers that you can think of

1457
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:12,420
and that's what we do and so it's been a

1458
01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:14,370
great few years for us and next is going

1459
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:16,620
to pray until my next year very quickly

1460
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:20,040
and we haven't really announced our next

1461
01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:22,020
year lineup this year we've so far had

1462
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:24,180
52 is we've got one more coming up with

1463
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:26,850
dr. Lisa Randall and that's happening

1464
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:29,190
November next year we're going to do

1465
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,510
something very different and you're the

1466
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:31,920
first public group to hear about this

1467
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:37,140
we've got seven to us and one I'll be

1468
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,350
told no I'm not something you ate things

1469
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:43,200
when I said yes seven to us and an eight

1470
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:46,650
mystery thing happening but what we're

1471
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,810
going to do is because there's so many

1472
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:50,460
events we're going to be offering a

1473
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,160
group of people the ability to get an

1474
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:55,140
annual pass so it would be will be

1475
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:58,470
properly cheap but you'll get access to

1476
01:03:01,880 --> 01:02:59,730
some of the world's greatest thinkers

1477
01:03:03,069 --> 01:03:01,890
and some of Australia's greatest

1478
01:03:05,019 --> 01:03:03,079
thinkers at this

1479
01:03:08,249 --> 01:03:05,029
we'll be covering from everything on

1480
01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:08,259
social sciences two hard sciences so

1481
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:10,940
what we will not be giving back phone to

1482
01:03:17,049 --> 01:03:13,130
any ideas that doesn't require a

1483
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:17,059
platform like anti-vaxxers that will not

1484
01:03:24,609 --> 01:03:19,369
happen I think in an escalade described

1485
01:03:27,249 --> 01:03:24,619
oh yeah okay so we get graciously going

1486
01:03:32,709 --> 01:03:27,259
to give away a prize manner we do the

1487
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:32,719
people got your ticket winner I do have

1488
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:33,890
to bring out the person who invented

1489
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:35,569
two-minute noodles I'd like know that

1490
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:40,160
was here we go it's blue ticket again

1491
01:03:55,509 --> 01:03:51,650
i'm a 35 clickety-click 35 do you know

1492
01:04:04,509 --> 01:03:55,519
you meant what I get suit against Aneesa

1493
01:04:05,859 --> 01:04:04,519
ran oh thank you very much thinking and

1494
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:05,869
what a pleasure wants to work with the

1495
01:04:12,939 --> 01:04:11,569
game thank you yes when I toured with

1496
01:04:14,529 --> 01:04:12,949
James Rainey was quite an experience

1497
01:04:16,779 --> 01:04:14,539
that really wants a negative thinking

1498
01:04:19,329 --> 01:04:16,789
for doing all that now we have only a

1499
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:19,339
couple more segments before the end of

1500
01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:21,430
the show no time for ancient aliens

1501
01:04:25,569 --> 01:04:23,900
ancient know there is never time for

1502
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:25,579
ancient & loveless Erich von Daniken and

1503
01:04:30,729 --> 01:04:28,729
the guy with the pic air that so what

1504
01:04:32,620 --> 01:04:30,739
we're going to do now is we have one

1505
01:04:34,449 --> 01:04:32,630
more before knee in the show we have one

1506
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,459
more pretty record from our reporter

1507
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,079
shelly stock and who can be here tonight

1508
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:38,839
and this report again while the reports

1509
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:39,720
on you may wish

1510
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:41,970
to sneak up to the bar get yourself a

1511
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:44,130
drink so short report all about the

1512
01:04:58,570 --> 01:04:46,890
favorite wacky alternative medicine so

1513
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:03,140
interesting claims questioning take

1514
01:05:15,830 --> 01:05:13,200
stock with Shelly stockin hi this is

1515
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Shelly stockin as most of you admire

1516
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:17,730
it's difficult to cover a range of

1517
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:20,070
skeptical topics properly without

1518
01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:22,020
complementary and alternative therapies

1519
01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:24,630
getting at least a mention there are

1520
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:26,280
just so many different modalities

1521
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:29,130
techniques pills poultices practitioners

1522
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:31,470
and pen assayer's but fall short of what

1523
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:33,150
most science respecting people would

1524
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:36,710
call an acceptable standard of evidence

1525
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:40,020
some like homeopathy chiropractic and

1526
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:42,390
acupuncture are so common in familiar

1527
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:43,890
I'm sure I'd only bought you if I

1528
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:46,680
brought them up again but others are so

1529
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:48,930
bizarre so seldom encountered or so

1530
01:05:53,690 --> 01:05:50,790
stupidly dangerous they deserve a

1531
01:05:57,020 --> 01:05:53,700
special mention so may i present to you

1532
01:05:58,790 --> 01:05:57,030
in no particular order my top five

1533
01:06:02,140 --> 01:05:58,800
lesser-known strange or dangerous

1534
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:02,150
complementary and alternative therapies

1535
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:05,339
first up is an ancient elixir most

1536
01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:07,890
commonly found in the loo if you have an

1537
01:06:13,220 --> 01:06:09,750
inkling to drink what your tinkling then

1538
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:13,230
maybe this was for you I'm talking about

1539
01:06:18,620 --> 01:06:16,680
urine therapy the practice of consuming

1540
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:18,630
your own freshly made urine for good

1541
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:23,760
health mmm I remember my year 8 biology

1542
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:26,010
teacher telling me if I was ever lost at

1543
01:06:31,460 --> 01:06:27,750
sea I'd be better off drinking my own

1544
01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:31,470
urine than I would drinking seawater it

1545
01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:33,300
was the first time I'd ever heard you'd

1546
01:06:39,980 --> 01:06:36,150
be better off and drinking urine in the

1547
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,990
same sentence but people who dig urine

1548
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:42,000
therapy don't save we guzzling for

1549
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:44,520
emergencies they recommend drinking it

1550
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,680
every day to stave off a huge range of

1551
01:06:53,309 --> 01:06:48,900
health issues from wrinkles and excess

1552
01:06:55,439 --> 01:06:53,319
mucus to asthma and multiple sclerosis

1553
01:06:57,779 --> 01:06:55,449
it's often claimed that urine is a rich

1554
01:07:01,049 --> 01:06:57,789
source of nutrients specifically

1555
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:01,059
tailored to your own body when you

1556
01:07:05,209 --> 01:07:03,609
consider the evidence or lack of it so

1557
01:07:07,620 --> 01:07:05,219
the health benefits of urine therapy

1558
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:07,630
most of the proponents claims can be

1559
01:07:12,269 --> 01:07:10,119
flushed down the toilet I mean short

1560
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:12,279
urine contains tiny amounts of

1561
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:14,890
beneficial substances but you can get

1562
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:16,930
higher concentrations of those nutrients

1563
01:07:19,799 --> 01:07:18,729
in tasty food and drink that hasn't

1564
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:19,809
already been through your digestive

1565
01:07:27,509 --> 01:07:24,880
system on the plus side wheedle is very

1566
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:27,519
cheap and easy to make but drinking it

1567
01:07:32,729 --> 01:07:30,119
is kind of gross and basically useless

1568
01:07:34,469 --> 01:07:32,739
that's why it makes it into my top five

1569
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:34,479
lesser-known strange or dangerous

1570
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:41,640
now if health problems plagued your

1571
01:07:45,989 --> 01:07:43,690
existence because your bones aren't in

1572
01:07:47,849 --> 01:07:45,999
their proper place a balloon up your

1573
01:07:50,959 --> 01:07:47,859
nose can relieve all your woes by

1574
01:07:53,099 --> 01:07:50,969
increasing the space in your face I'm

1575
01:07:55,019 --> 01:07:53,109
talking about neuro cranial

1576
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:55,029
restructuring otherwise known as

1577
01:08:00,569 --> 01:07:57,539
bilateral nasal specific technique

1578
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:00,579
functional cranial release and two or

1579
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:04,690
three other sciency sounding names this

1580
01:08:08,969 --> 01:08:06,249
technique is usually performed by a

1581
01:08:11,279 --> 01:08:08,979
chiropractor or naturopath and involves

1582
01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:11,289
a small lubricated balloon attached to

1583
01:08:17,069 --> 01:08:14,380
an air pump the balloon is maneuvered up

1584
01:08:20,069 --> 01:08:17,079
a nostril and into a sinus cavity then

1585
01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:20,079
inflated for a short time the procedure

1586
01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:21,880
is repeated several times during a

1587
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:25,750
treatment session neuro cranial

1588
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,730
restructuring is believed to be able to

1589
01:08:32,099 --> 01:08:29,679
move the sphenoid bone in the skull

1590
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,109
which in turn is supposed to relieve

1591
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:34,480
tension and adjust misalignment of other

1592
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:37,210
bones in the body thus creating optimum

1593
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:41,440
conditions for health one practitioners

1594
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,750
website lists no fewer than 59

1595
01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:45,759
conditions that can be helped by poking

1596
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,040
a balloon up your nose ridiculously

1597
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:50,799
including Down syndrome autism and motor

1598
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:54,250
neuron disease whether or not the bones

1599
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:56,049
in your face are actually shifted by

1600
01:09:00,539 --> 01:08:58,210
this technique or whether it can relieve

1601
01:09:04,109 --> 01:09:00,549
anything except a heavy wallet has not

1602
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,119
been proven by science really unlucky

1603
01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:06,400
patients might get a bonus nosebleed or

1604
01:09:08,999 --> 01:09:06,940
facial

1605
01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:09,009
fracture with their therapy which is why

1606
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:11,140
neuro cranial restructuring slides

1607
01:09:15,599 --> 01:09:13,449
easily into my top five lesser-known

1608
01:09:20,459 --> 01:09:15,609
strange or dangerous complementary and

1609
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,469
alternative therapies next up the secret

1610
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:22,960
to curing all cancer when done in the

1611
01:09:28,110 --> 01:09:25,870
max gerson way is lots of fresh juices

1612
01:09:32,670 --> 01:09:28,120
and bottom hole sluices with cold coffee

1613
01:09:35,309 --> 01:09:32,680
five times a day if you haven't heard of

1614
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:35,319
max Gerson you may have heard of Jessica

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01:09:40,170 --> 01:09:38,290
méxico the former is the creator of

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01:09:42,689 --> 01:09:40,180
gerson therapy for treating various

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01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,699
cancers and other ailments and the

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01:09:46,349 --> 01:09:44,080
latter was his most well-known

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01:09:49,289 --> 01:09:46,359
Australian disciple the so-called

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01:09:54,059 --> 01:09:49,299
wellness warrior who died of epithelioid

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01:09:55,770 --> 01:09:54,069
sarcoma at age 30 in 2015 managed and

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01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:55,780
marketed by the Gerson Institute in

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:09:58,510
California gerson therapy consists of

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three main parts first diet which

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:03,910
involves preparing and consuming about

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:06,130
13 freshly squeezed juices and 3

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:09,370
vegetarian meals every day next is

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01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:10,930
nutritional supplements such as

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01:10:17,459 --> 01:10:14,580
potassium lugol's solution vitamin b12

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01:10:20,959 --> 01:10:17,469
thyroid hormone and pancreatic enzymes

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:20,969
and the third part is detoxification

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:23,290
which is the administration of coffee

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01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:26,170
enemas up to five times a day presumably

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01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:27,910
if you can find the time between juicing

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01:10:33,689 --> 01:10:31,840
things all this is supposed to flood the

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01:10:36,150 --> 01:10:33,699
body with nutrients and read the entire

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01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:36,160
system of diseased tissue making it

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01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:37,810
practically impossible for cancer to

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01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:40,360
thrive the minimum suggested treatment

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01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,260
period for cancer is two years the

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:46,000
evidence supporting the effectiveness of

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:48,010
Gerson Therapy is not at all strong and

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01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:50,650
it appears the Gerson Institute doesn't

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01:10:55,530 --> 01:10:52,150
routinely follow-up its patients

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01:10:57,540 --> 01:10:55,540
progress that combined with the fact

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01:10:59,070 --> 01:10:57,550
that patients are discouraged from using

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01:11:01,410 --> 01:10:59,080
conventional cancer treatments while

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:01,420
undertaking Gerson Therapy earns at a

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:03,250
place in my top five lesser-known

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01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:05,050
strange or dangerous complementary and

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01:11:12,450 --> 01:11:10,449
alternative therapies now black selves

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01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:12,460
is the ointment of preference for

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01:11:17,130 --> 01:11:15,010
abscesses cancers and moles if you have

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01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,140
no issue replacing good tissue with

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01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:19,920
permanent scarring and holes

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:23,140
black selves otherwise known as red self

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01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:26,170
can seamer and blood root is a topical

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01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:30,520
ointment that kills tissue applying this

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01:11:34,260 --> 01:11:31,990
corrosive stuff to your skin will

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01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:34,270
painfully destroy it and possibly a good

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01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:36,600
deal of the meaty stuff underneath too

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01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:38,620
why would anyone want to put this

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01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,260
horrible stuff on their body marketers

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:42,640
of black selves will tell you it's a

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01:11:47,850 --> 01:11:45,010
great treatment for skin cancer and that

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01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:47,860
it will only attack cancerous cells that

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01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:51,390
is to put it nicely complete rubbish

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01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:54,040
although some human and animal studies

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01:11:58,380 --> 01:11:56,230
have found that sanguinarine one of the

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01:12:01,230 --> 01:11:58,390
ingredients in black cells selectively

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01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:01,240
kills some cancer cells in vitro there

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01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:03,580
is no evidence that black selves used as

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01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:05,950
recommended by its promoters safely or

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01:12:10,230 --> 01:12:07,750
effectively targets only cancerous

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01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:10,240
tissue black self doesn't stop to think

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01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:11,800
about which cells are sick and which

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01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,180
cells are healthy it just kills cells if

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01:12:19,740 --> 01:12:17,920
you have a strong stomach and don't mind

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01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:19,750
looking at large scabby flesh holes

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01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:22,150
search online for images of what black

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01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:24,910
self can do the incredible thing is how

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01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:26,590
easy it is to find stories and pictures

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:28,450
of horrible injuries and deformities

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01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:30,730
caused by black self yet some people

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01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:33,310
still say yeah that looks good I'll give

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01:12:39,150 --> 01:12:36,670
that a crack so black self burns its way

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01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:39,160
into my top five lesser-known strange or

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01:12:46,770 --> 01:12:40,360
dangerous complementary and alternative

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01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:46,780
therapies vastly we're all searching for

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01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:49,300
that miracle solution we all want what

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01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:51,940
sorrow illness can provide if you're

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01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:53,770
keen to drink some bleach health is well

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:55,630
within your reach once the vomiting and

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01:13:02,190 --> 01:12:59,530
stomach cramps subside self-proclaimed

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:02,200
Fela and Archbishop of the Genesis to

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01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:04,650
church of health and healing Jim Humble

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01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:06,700
developed the miracle mineral solution

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01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:09,460
also known as miracle mineral supplement

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01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:14,950
in 1996 he claims it can effectively

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01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:18,760
treat malaria cancer HIV autism and a

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01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,920
huge range of other conditions by

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01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:23,440
eliminating pathogens and supercharging

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01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:27,280
the immune system the tonic is basically

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01:13:32,589 --> 01:13:29,470
sodium chlorite and water which is

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01:13:35,259 --> 01:13:32,599
activated by adding citric acid in

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01:13:37,209 --> 01:13:35,269
juice or lime juice for example then

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01:13:41,649 --> 01:13:37,219
consumed a few drops at a time several

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01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,659
times a day the miracle part of miracle

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01:13:46,029 --> 01:13:43,280
mineral supplement is that it hasn't

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01:13:49,569 --> 01:13:46,039
killed more people it is effectively

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01:13:51,489 --> 01:13:49,579
bleach there's no reliable evidence that

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01:13:53,849 --> 01:13:51,499
it can effectively treat anything but

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01:13:55,989 --> 01:13:53,859
many examples of vomiting diarrhea

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01:13:59,799 --> 01:13:55,999
hospitalization and death resulting from

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01:14:02,049 --> 01:13:59,809
its use the Australian Therapeutic Goods

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01:14:04,449 --> 01:14:02,059
Administration the US Food and Drug

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01:14:06,369 --> 01:14:04,459
Administration Health Canada New

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01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:06,379
Zealand's med safe and many other health

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01:14:10,869 --> 01:14:08,840
authorities have issued warnings against

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01:14:13,209 --> 01:14:10,879
this product which is just one of the

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01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,219
reasons it qualifies for my top five

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01:14:18,089 --> 01:14:15,199
lesser-known strange or dangerous

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01:14:20,859 --> 01:14:18,099
complementary and alternative therapies

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01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:20,869
maybe you have your own top five and

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01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:23,689
your own special favorites but thanks

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01:14:35,349 --> 01:14:33,800
for listening to my all right now before

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:35,359
the next segment of the show if I have

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01:14:39,310 --> 01:14:37,090
the strange situation where both

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01:14:43,089 --> 01:14:39,320
microphones the batteries have just

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01:14:45,219 --> 01:14:43,099
given out just before their finale of

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01:14:46,989 --> 01:14:45,229
the show but while actually why we're on

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01:14:49,989 --> 01:14:46,999
why we're sorting out our battery issues

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01:14:51,879 --> 01:14:49,999
we'll carry on anyway nearly there one

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01:14:55,139 --> 01:14:51,889
more prize giveaway from our friends at

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01:14:58,239 --> 01:14:55,149
al-anon one we have a wonderful book by

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01:15:01,419 --> 01:14:58,249
ian graham to give away it's fascinating

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01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,429
pinball science it's all about energy

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01:15:06,009 --> 01:15:03,199
and conservation of energy and how

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01:15:08,290 --> 01:15:06,019
things work motion it's extraordinary

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01:15:10,089 --> 01:15:08,300
then you get to build your own pinball

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:10,099
machine it's a book and a pinball

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01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:11,650
machine and a pin

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:15,940
so tickets at the ready everybody all

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01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:18,489
right let's check this one it is a blue

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01:15:30,419 --> 01:15:25,120
ticket and it's a 09 90 90 here we are

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:30,429
in our yes the regular to you got a

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:32,730
booklet turns into a pinball machine

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01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:35,290
okay folks were just about to wrap up

1749
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,260
the show but I'll just put this away and

1750
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:39,760
has this show been marred by controversy

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01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:43,690
or not warm on there was the hair

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01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:46,780
incident the guy wasn't here are that

1753
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:50,050
the list just goes on it was more marred

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:52,210
by technical ineptitude but we got

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:15:57,610
through it this is a theme music for no

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01:16:04,750 --> 01:16:03,280
and forth audio files in the room I

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01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:04,760
always thought that the theme to the

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01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:06,580
skeptic zone has too many high-end

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01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:09,350
transients there now for the people in

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Newark that is they thought that was

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01:16:13,900 --> 01:16:12,410
really hilarious was intentional my none

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01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:13,910
because it's mended in all the audience

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01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:16,160
who can already we've got tinnitus

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01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:18,980
that's right so you have to say to me

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01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:22,460
about it work see the higher man showing

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:25,940
up here we go in by a co and a round off

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01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:28,370
the skeptics only co-host on escaping

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01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:31,760
zone in these guys as dr. sim it's dr.

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01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:38,120
stefan swagger hi I'm dr. Stefan saiga

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01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:40,790
of the transcendental healing clinic for

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01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:42,980
online spiritual fulfillment and

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01:16:48,850 --> 01:16:46,790
wellness for 20 years now the internet

1773
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:48,860
has been little more than a cesspool of

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01:16:55,540 --> 01:16:52,150
dark energy negative karmic vibes and

1775
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:55,550
misdirected trans mundanity emanating

1776
01:17:02,500 --> 01:16:57,980
explosively from humanity's collective

1777
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,510
raised chakra billions of souls plugged

1778
01:17:06,940 --> 01:17:04,880
into the great digital energy field have

1779
01:17:10,210 --> 01:17:06,950
been effectively banging their God head

1780
01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:10,220
against an astral brick wall why because

1781
01:17:15,070 --> 01:17:12,680
the Internet's true cosmic power has

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01:17:18,490 --> 01:17:15,080
until now remained untapped and

1783
01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:18,500
unrecognized rather than fulfill her

1784
01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:21,260
quest for internally like enlightenment

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01:17:26,530 --> 01:17:23,420
it has done little else but amplify this

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:26,540
human species cellular memory and past

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01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,330
life karmic inheritance into a cacophony

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01:17:34,939 --> 01:17:32,400
of biorhythmic are well versed no I'm

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01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,949
Global homeopathic treatment or mass

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01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:36,840
acupuncture program could never hope to

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01:17:41,919 --> 01:17:39,810
repair that is why I have developed the

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01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:41,929
ultimate solution to our rapidly

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01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,699
uncoiling digital Kundalini with a

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01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:47,280
transcendental healing clinic for online

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01:17:54,380 --> 01:17:49,040
spiritual fulfillment and wellness

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:54,390
new-age into their filter yay we've all

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01:18:00,169 --> 01:17:57,090
wanted one a new age internet filter

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01:18:03,979 --> 01:18:00,179
people alright at last for the low low

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01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:03,989
price of 8888 dollars 88 you will be

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01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:06,600
given absolute protection from the risks

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01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:08,850
of allowing spiritual entities from the

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01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:11,400
lower realms to puncture your aura and

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01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:13,710
invade your meridians causing a whole

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01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:16,590
litany of elements from sluggishness and

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01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:19,620
listlessness deliver to the vacation and

1806
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:23,670
autism so how does it actually work may

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01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:26,010
well you wonder without giving too much

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01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:28,500
away and jeopardizing my global

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01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:30,330
distribution deal through the fabulous

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01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:32,280
an esteemed say no to vaccination

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01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:34,620
business referral network what I can

1812
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:37,340
tell you is that it's all about quantum

1813
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:41,400
quantum quantum quantum quantum quarter

1814
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,260
quad it's all about quantum after an

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01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:48,480
intense for day meditation and

1816
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,520
ethnobotanical retreat on the outskirts

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:53,280
of nimbin i discovered that every online

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01:19:00,649 --> 01:18:56,690
signal is accompanied by a crystalline

1819
01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:00,659
quantum carrier signal that until now no

1820
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:02,670
one has been able to detect live alone

1821
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:05,640
filter out the extremely subtle

1822
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:07,770
vibrations which manifest only within

1823
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,290
dark matter and the ethereal cosmic

1824
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:12,480
plane require not just incredible genius

1825
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,810
to understand as i do but the phenomenal

1826
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:18,719
engineering pseudoscience to track and

1827
01:19:23,919 --> 01:19:22,260
ultimately filter after a further four

1828
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:23,929
days of magic mushroom booze then I

1829
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:26,610
cracked a quantum code of the internet

1830
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:29,100
and defies the technique I present to

1831
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:32,699
you today behold the transcendental

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01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:34,890
healing clinic for online spiritual

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:43,980
wellness New Age internet filter now now

1834
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:46,530
it goes to sit deceptively simple

1835
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:50,040
doesn't it well like anything quantum it

1836
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:54,540
is and it isn't for the listeners the

1837
01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:56,820
filter looks like an ectoplasmic fuse

1838
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:59,340
and hyper tuned hydrocarbon compound

1839
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,800
thin-film granted wave particle duality

1840
01:20:07,090 --> 01:20:04,800
filter secure to an ingenious mechanical

1841
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:07,100
device to a tween silicon-based

1842
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:09,000
translucent to computer screen

1843
01:20:13,730 --> 01:20:11,190
refracting anatomically structured

1844
01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:13,740
lenses surrounded by a hard and hyper

1845
01:20:18,260 --> 01:20:16,350
hydrocarbon scaffolding brilliantly

1846
01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:18,270
designed to leverage the fulcrum of the

1847
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,550
human ear to maintain stability and

1848
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,620
ensure that quantum filtering function

1849
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:24,960
is at least as continuous as the most

1850
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:30,480
stable internet connection for those

1851
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:32,520
present in the room tonight the filter

1852
01:20:37,370 --> 01:20:34,050
looks like a piece of cellophane need

1853
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:37,380
repair bothers the mere physical

1854
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,420
scientific application of the latest

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01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:41,760
quantum insights you will note causes

1856
01:20:46,730 --> 01:20:44,070
the previously clear cellophane to

1857
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:46,740
transmogrify into a queue that one would

1858
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:49,050
say almost closely resembles the color

1859
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,330
the popular a beautiful garden flower

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01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:54,480
the one with thorns on it with the New

1861
01:21:00,100 --> 01:20:56,910
Age internet filter on every experience

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01:21:05,470 --> 01:21:00,110
is a good one you will feel enlightened

1863
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:05,480
intelligent and less obese pretty good

1864
01:21:11,180 --> 01:21:08,250
no matter what you do and where you go

1865
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:11,190
online you are sending the actual grains

1866
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:14,820
towards self actualization patrolling

1867
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:18,360
man slaving victim-blaming revenge porn

1868
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,550
shaming culturally piss

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01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:22,860
appropriating taking offense and or

1870
01:21:30,980 --> 01:21:27,440
giving offense it's all good these armor

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01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:30,990
get clean stay safe and become the you

1872
01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:32,940
you always wanted to be if an your

1873
01:21:37,220 --> 01:21:34,980
Instagram account could be could get its

1874
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:37,230
following numbers into double digits but

1875
01:21:42,980 --> 01:21:39,420
the best of all the more Donald Trump

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:42,990
you watch the smiler you get

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01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:44,770
revolutionize your online experience

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01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:47,170
with a transcendental healing clinic for

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01:22:02,190 --> 01:21:48,850
online spiritual fulfillment of wellness

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01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:02,200
New Age internet filter or now yeah you

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01:22:05,070 --> 01:22:03,580
weren't kidding when you said I'm gonna

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have to do it another your mind on yeah

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I think you have just witnessed the

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birth of a new style of comedy called

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Schrodinger's comedy come back up seven

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day to do it take your internet filter

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are you does it take from our reality

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thank goodness we're going on one Mike

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Williams look I like the thing yes 70

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coming along I'm gonna be part of the

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skeptics on live like I said stefan my

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start of the show way back into a neo

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and tell you everybody here for coming

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along to be part of the skeptic zone

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like this show you're listening to go

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out this sunday night after I do all the

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other thing which will take me a long

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time I think now if you're not a

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subscriber to the skeptic magazine we

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got some issues to give away come up and

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have a chance without issues all right

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we've got issues we certainly do don't

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forget to check out Maynard com delay

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you from Maynard's podcasts never losing

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thank you my other thing is like my

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shadow a late that's it bands up and for

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everybody else thank you for coming

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next time this has been your skeptics

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guide to the no this is ben those

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skeptics all these men good night I'm

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glad some people got that joke that's it

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